Ryan ([info]ryanbrenizer) wrote,
@ 2007-02-22 20:01:00
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Canon 1DIII released; Wither Nikon?
1d3

Yesterday, Canon released its latest professional "speed demon" camera, the 1D Mark III. Shooting at 10 frames per second, this camera is particularly marketed at sports shooters, but comes in handy for any professional (or rich amateur) who sometimes needs blistering speed, from photojournalists to some wedding photographers. To put it mildly, it looks really, really nice. And a lot Nikon users are kind of freaking out. Including me.

At first blush, this makes no sense: The 1D, after all, is hardly my ideal camera, and not just because I like the way Nikons feel and work. I prefer smaller but rugged cameras, whereas all Canon 1-line cameras are large enough to have significant gravitational pull. This camera has a 1.3x crop factor, which would be a great compromise if it were standardized and companies made lenses optimized around that frame size. But it's not, and they don't, and that leaves it feeling like a bit of a kludge. Its raison d'être is its 10fps, and I don't need that enough to pay the premium price for it. That said, if I were a Canon shooter I'd have my order in.

But there's a few things that are making Nikonians sweat. First of all, Nikonian sports shooters, whichever of them are left, should be in a state of mild panic. Canon was already lapping Nikon in sports, and now they're in a whole different race. In fact, I'm scratching my head a bit as to why they chose to update their sports camera, when their true flagship, high-resolution-but slower 1DS line is much longer in the tooth, and not trouncing Nikon in its market as severely.

But the paperwork on this thing promises even better low-light image quality than the 5D, the current champ. That's a huge thing for me. I have to compete with other photographers. If someone has this and can shoot at four times the shutter speeds I can because of noise performance, they have a pretty big advantage. Nikon has done amazing things with sensors at the low-end -- the D40 performance is class-leading -- but they end up having to polish the same mediocre Sony sensors throughout their line.

Which leads us to what's truly worrying people -- no real indications from Nikon that they care about their pro line. When Canon updated its ultrafast (and expensive) prime lenses with the 85mm f/1.2 II and the 50mm f/1.2, Nikon released their 386th kit lens (or something, who's counting?) When Canon released this beast with a newer, better wide-angle zoom (previously Nikon had the advantage there), what did Nikon release? A bunch of point-and-shoots.

Maybe Nikon has some great, truly state-of-the-art cameras right around the corner. But we don't know. Lots of companies give some sort of road map about their future products. I know a lot about what's going to be in Apple's next system, since you can find the info on their home page. When Pentax released the K10D, with weather sealing and capabilities for internally-focusing lenses, it seemed strange, since Pentax had no weather-sealed, internally focused lenses to work with it -- or it would have, if Pentax hadn't released a road map that said "these lenses are coming!" And here they are. Nikon needs to release some sort of professional road map. Is there a 35mm-framed camera nearing release? Let us know. If there are no plans, let us know that you're committed to the 1.5x crop, so we can choose whether to stay or go based on good information instead of anxiety about the future. Commitment would mean efforts to improve your own sensor designs and more professional DX lenses, especially wide-angle primes. Frankly, I'm fine for this year, and most non-sports shooters should be, too. But things are changing rapidly. The improvements in sensors mean taking photos literally in the dark is within reach now, opening new possibilities. It would be nice to know who's headed in the right direction.

UPDATE: There could be another reason this camera is tempting me. As Thom Hogan notes, a lot of the subtle changes were cribbed from Nikon, which would seem to make general usage a lot more palatable. He doesn't even mention Auto-ISO, which the 1D3 sorta has.




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[info]theamazingjosh
2007-02-23 01:41 am UTC (link)
Nikon needs to step it up in the low light department big time. I am too invested in glass to give up on them though.

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[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-02-23 01:45 am UTC (link)
I'm not giving up; I'll keep one and the 17-55 in any case if only for the awesome flash system, but I may start a 5D Mark II fund (as much as the wedding will allow), hoping they take it in this direction.

The 1D3 has Auto-ISO, of a sort. Canon is being quiet about this, not wanting to let people know they're following Nikon.

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[info]theamazingjosh
2007-02-23 03:48 am UTC (link)
They need to get a damn LCD cover.

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Excellent summation
(Anonymous)
2007-02-23 05:21 am UTC (link)
Great write-up. A friend and I were discussing this announcement this morning, and it almost exactly mimicked your thoughts on the subject.

My friend switched over from Canon about 2 years ago, and is currently pondering switching back. Why? Simply because he can tangibly see the advances Canon is making, and he simply has no idea which way Nikon is going when it comes to pro gear.
As you said, in the last 2 "major" announcements from Nikon, he's gotten consumer-grade lenses which are of no use to him, and point-and-shoots which are of no use to him.

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[info]spride
2007-02-23 01:08 pm UTC (link)
This sounds a bit like a continuation of our conversation a while ago, where I was saying I didn't get the feeling Nikon was serious about decent digital cameras. I think it's clear that Canon aggressively wants to own the prosumer and pro DSLR market, and unless anything earth-shattering happens, my next body will probably be the best Canon I can afford; however I can say that because my investment in Nikon glass has just gone backwards rather than forwards with the demise of my Nikkor 70-300 f/4.5 zoom.

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[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-02-23 02:07 pm UTC (link)
Nikon's been kicking butt in the amateur to prosumer range, so we'll see what happens in the future, but yeah, you'd lose a lot less cash than I would.

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[info]farmalloc
2007-02-23 06:56 pm UTC (link)
Good write up. The biggest problem as I see it is that Canon is so huge they can throw lots of money into R&D while Nikon can't afford to do it as much. I wonder if Nikon will ever get enough resources to design their own CCD targeted at the pro instead of using Sony's. Sony doesn't seem to have much to gain by investing in a better pro level low light CCD. Their target market at the moment just don't care that much. Also now that they are getting into the DSLR market is seems like a conflict of interest to be supplying their potential competitor any advances they make in their CCD. So I don't know how that will pan out. It will be interesting to see how it all pans out and while I am a little freaked by Cannon I won't be loosing sleep till Canon start working on their flash systems.

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[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-02-24 12:03 am UTC (link)
Nikon has their own sensor line, in the D2H and D2Hs. I'm sure they're working on updating it, but again they haven't even given a hint as to which direction they head in.

I, too, would hate to give up the Nikon flash system.

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[info]photogfrog
2007-02-24 08:25 am UTC (link)
*drool*

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good review
(Anonymous)
2007-02-26 05:33 pm UTC (link)
i've always been a fan of nikon, mainly because of the great UI and quality of body and lenses. i've always said that nikon is a great camera manufacturer, however, canon is a great (consumer) electronics company. in today's digital world the latter wins.

i patiently used my Nikon gear; the D70 and later the D200, and i'm still of the opinion that Nikon has the best consumer offering out there, not only on the body side, but also the lens offering with great value glass like the 18-70 DX and 18-200 VR. However, in the pro area, forget about it. Sure, there are still a bunch of pro's that are using Nikons, but I'm sure if you were giving them a choice to start from scratch today... I read a hands-on review of the MkIII on a Swedish site and the PJ that wrote it had just come back from the World CHampionship in downhill skiing. He reported that there were 160 photographers covering the event - 3 (three!) used Nikon.

So combine their current offering with the strange and silent Japanese management style, along with their current success and profits in the entry-level market, the lack of upgrades to pro-lens-line, even with the killing off of the superlative 28/1.4, how is it possible to reach another conclusion than Nikon doesn't have what it takes (R&D, resources, finances etc) or the will be a top contender in the pro market.

Does that mean that a bunch of people need to switch today? Most certainly not, especially part-timers or other amateurs (incl myself) will do just fine with Nikon gear and it all depends on what type of photography you do. in my case, available light environmental portraits is what I like to shoot and in that area Canon has a definite advantage in the high ISO perf along with super-fast glass.

Switching brand isn't really a big money loosing proposition IMO. You still get top dollar for used Nikon gear and cleaning up/simplifying what is in the camera bag isn't necessarily a bad thing.

cheers,

patrick|nordilux.com

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Re: good review
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-02-26 05:37 pm UTC (link)
Patrick,

Thank you for the insightful comment. Switching would most likely be expensive for me because it would be too hard to let go. ;-) I'd need to keep at least a D200 and the 17-55, if only for the portability and excellent flash results, and would weep hot tears to let go with the 85mm f/1.4. The 70-200 would become a lot more useful on a wider-crop, high-ISO body, though.

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Re: good review
(Anonymous)
2007-02-26 07:15 pm UTC (link)
i'm not saying the grass is all greener, if you know what I mean. Canon segments their market will - and price accordingly, e.g.
- the only way to get weather-sealing is to get a 1-series camera, which not only are huge and heavy, but expensive.
- instead of offering a Nikkor 85/1.4D equivalent you have to go for the $1,800 85/1.2 II.
- Canon's low-level lenses are so bad that you inevitably have to go for the L-lenses, making your investment rather big.

I'm not saying that everyone has to go Canon, or that it is the right choice, but in terms of hard-charging pros like sport shooters, PJ's, fashion/studio photographers etc, they are pretty much all now firmly planted in the Canon space.

Trust me, I wish it wasn't so.

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Re: good review
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-02-26 07:19 pm UTC (link)
Right, which is why Nikon is kicking ass in the middle, right now. I'll stay in the cheaper middle as long as it doesn't start costing me bookings. Being a dedicated high-ISO shooter makes me fret sometimes.

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Re: good review
(Anonymous)
2007-02-26 07:36 pm UTC (link)
ryan, i think that is very wise! :-) Nikon sure has that amateur to advanced user sweet spot right not, which I find very frustrating in the Canon line up. Then again, I find the Canon RAW files a bit easier to work with - what is your PP RAW tool?

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Re: good review
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-02-26 07:39 pm UTC (link)
Do I need just one? Mostly Lightroom now, also ACR 4, RAW Developer, and Capture NX. I have a feel for all of them well enough that I know which will work best for a certain task.

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(Anonymous)
2007-03-02 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for your comments, Ryan.

Is there a possibility that Nikon has something up their sleeves and are just keeping very tight lipped until they reveal their next Gen cams that will blow everyone away?

Or are they quietly scrambling to figure out what to do?

Either way, keeping quiet drives everyone nuts. I just hope Nikon makes it worth our while and refreshes our faith.

I own a Nikon D200 and love it; and I know I shouldn't let certain comments bother me, but when I read that comment above about the 160 PJ's and how virtually every one of them were using Canons, I can't help but wonder if that's really true and not a highly inaccurate report; and if it is true, why that is and whether my investment is in the right camp. Maybe all those PJ's got an incredible discount on their gear in exchange for using the product and helping Canon advertise. Who knows?

Nikon cameras are amazing. I love my camera, so why is Canon so dominant? It just makes me scratch my head.

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[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-03-03 12:02 am UTC (link)
The sports market favors Canon for a lot of reasons, but the bottom line is that Canon plays to them. In addition to making more lenses directly for them (400mm, 500mm, 600mm IS lenses, historically having AF and IS first) they also offer a lot of support and promotions that Nikon just doesn't. Canon throws free stuff at its top users all the time, which is a good policy in a lot of cases.

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