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Review: 85mm f/1.4
Review: 85mm f/1.4

Introduction If the point of this series of reviews is to look at the equipment that I am most familiar with, tools that are recommended by the simple fact that they're what I grab when I need to do a job, then we might as well start with my favorite: the Nikon 85mm f/1.4. Pure and simple, this lens makes things beautiful. That's not always a good thing -- the world isn't always beautiful, and so my documentary work tends to lean away from the lens -- but when I want to present a slice of the world in a romantic light, this is usually the first thing I go for.

Stick Your Neck Out

The most important thing about this lens is right in its name -- it's an incredibly fast telephoto (a short tele on 35mm film, and a moderate tele with a 1.5x digital crop). This has a few immediate and important implications, whether it's an 85mm f/1.4 made by Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, Zeiss, or whomever. First, the focal length fits squarely inside the "portrait range" -- usually about 75mm to 135mm. I dislike this phrasing, which is really mypoic in its definition of a portrait, but it basically means that you can take a head-and-shoulders picture of a person without getting distorted facial features, but without having to shoot at ludicrous working distances, making them bread-and-butter studio glass. The 85mm lenses may have actually become more important in the time of digital crops, because even when you crop it by 1.5x, it's still in the traditional portrait range, acting more like a 135mm lens. No, you're not going to get full-body shots of people with this unless you're working in a giant space, but now you can take tightly-cropped headshots without worrying about enlarging subjects' noses.

The second part is the f/1.4, which is photographer-speak for "really freaking light-sensitive." Canon makes an even more sensitive 85mm, but it makes trade-offs to reach the bleeding edge -- mainly slower focus, worse close-focus distance, a less wieldy size, and twice the cost (similar to the trade-offs you get from going from an f/1.8 to an f/1.4). The wide aperture makes it a great choice for available-light portraits and also gives you an incredibly shallow depth-of-field when you want it -- if having just one eye in focus is your style, this is the lens for you.

Coming to a Book Jacket Near You

This photo shows both qualities -- while the light was of good quality, there wasn't very much of it. A fast lens kept the picture from being grainy. At the same time, the background is blurred into a pleasing pattern.

So does that make this a portrait-only lens? Of course not. Lenses are merely tools with a collection of characteristics. While this lens's characteristics apply well to portraiture, I use it for all sorts of different purposes. But let's get more into the details of this model.

Why the Nikkor rocks

I've never heard of a bad fast 85mm design, but there's more than that to why the Nikkor is my favorite lens.

1. It pops, even wide-open: What's the point of paying for an f/1.4 lens if you always have to use it stopped down? While contrast and sharpness increase slightly at f/1.8 or so, the difference is negligible in practice -- it starts out awesome and goes from there. When needed, I never worry about shooting this lens at f/1.4.

Katie: Sunset Smile

 2. Bokeh: I hesitate to use the word bokeh, as it's a hot piece of jargon, but the 85mm  really does render out-of-focus parts of the frame, from highlights to color transitions to light contrast, darned near perfectly. This is a critical thing for a fast 85, since the focus is so selective. It goes beyond simple numbers -- the older, manual-focus 85mm f/1.4 Nikkor renders things in a noticebly choppier way. While this is subjective, from the 85mm f/1.4 AIS to the Zeiss to the Canon, I like the Nikon AF bokeh the best.

Ups-and-downs

1. Focus speed: This lens is an older-designed screw-driven AF lens. So on cameras with weaker AF torque, it focuses fairly slowly. It's a joke on my F80, and won't focus at all on a D40 or D40x. On a D2X, though, it zips right along. It's slower than a lot of other lenses, because it has more glass, but on a decent body it's fast enough for action, if you know how to use it.

Comin' At Ya!

2. Build:  Yes, it's metal. Yes, it's sturdy in most circumstances. But again, there are usability problems with the older design. There's an extra switch-ring to slide from manual to AF focus modes that's a bit annoying, if you do that a lot. A lot of models have what is apparently a screw problem so that unscrewing the lens hood can actually unscrew the lens in half! This has happened to me; luckily you can just screw it back together and it works.

3. Size: I would put this in the positive category, since it's so much smaller than most of my other lenses -- I can pack it and the Sigma 30mm in the space where one of my other lenses go. But old-time photographers used to portrait lenses like the 105mm f/2.5 AIS tend to think this is a monster.

Things to worry about



1. Purple fringing: Especially wide-open, there is noticeable purple fringing on very sharp light-to-dark transitions. In some cases, this can show up on even small prints. Luckily this is really easy to take out in post-production, but you still lose contrast around the edges, and it requires the time of cleanup.

2. The lens hood: I hate the lens hood, and I'm not alone. Not only do you stand the chance of breaking your lens when unscrewing it, having to unscrew it in the first place is annoying -- the turn-and-click modern hoods are much better. Furthermore, there's no way to turn the lens hood around and fasten it for storing, and don't even get me started on how the lens hood interacts with the lens cap. Nikon's come a long way. The hood for the recent 105mm f/2.8 VR seems to do everything right, but this one does most things wrong. At least it's metal and sharp, so you can stap anyone who tries to steal your expensive lens.

3. It doesn't zoom: With the quality of digital ISO allowing smaller f-stops, primes seem to be falling out of favor. Lots of fantastic photographers have kits that never go wider than f/2.8, because they want the versatility. Personally, it works well for me -- it has a point-of-view, and I know what it is. I don't even need to be holding my camera to know what shot the 85mm would take if I were holding it up to my eye, so I can zoom with my feet beforehand. If you're strong at previsualization, prime lenses can work well. If not, they can be a pain.

When I use it

Although it's not a very well-kept secret, I still consider the 85mm f/1.4 my secret weapon. Because I'm confident in my previsualization, I use it where a lot of other photographers would be using a 70-200 f/2.8 -- fast action, rapidly-changing scenes, etc. This lets me get images with a unique look and to capture fast shutter speeds in lower light. If I'd had my 70-200 mounted, I never could have gotten this shot:

The Joy of Youth

I even use mine in weird ways. I use it at f/1.4 with flash and a high ISO a great deal, which seems extremely counter-intuitive but which lets me bring a lot of ambient light into the picture for a natural look, even in dark rooms.

Say it loud!

But that only works when I can move about freely. The less you can move, the less you can set-up a shot to meet your previsualization, and the more I'll reach for the versatility of the 70-200.

Recommended to:

Rich people, professionals who work in nasty light all the time, bokeh-fanatics, sharpness sticklers.

Not recommended to:

D40 and D40x users. Casual users who would be better served by the also-great 85mm f/1.8.

The cost dichotomy isn't all that great on the Nikon side. $400 versus $1,000. Certainly a big difference, but there are lots of people for whom the extra cost is worth it. In contrast, the (amazing) Canon 85mm f/1.2 is about five-and-a-half-times the price of their great f/1.8. There are very few people for whom that is a smart buy. My friend who's shot a stack of covers for Vogue uses the f/1.8. So, if you want to justify picking one of these up, you can always use the cost of the Canon to make yourself feel better. It works for me.

See hundreds of samples I've taken with this lens here.



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Great review
(Anonymous)
2007-04-20 08:01 pm UTC (link)
I really enjoyed your review Ryan. Well done. Although I can't afford the 85mm f/1.4 I'm seriously considering the 85mm f/1.8. Thanks for the insightful, concise and informative review. -Sam

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Re: Great review
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-04-20 08:04 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, Sam!

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Re: Great review
(Anonymous)
2007-06-04 10:41 am UTC (link)
Hi! Do you use this lens also for concert and event photography? Or do you then use the 70-200 vr?

Wonderful review by the way!

Wiggo

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Re: Great review
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-06-04 01:50 pm UTC (link)
Wiggo,

I use both, depending on the situation.

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[info]firsttiger
2007-04-20 08:23 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for reviewing this. I've been considering the 1.4 to replace on old film 85mm 1.8 that I have. I adore the lens for what it does with color and clarity, but every so often I wonder if going to the 1.4 for light reasons would be the right idea. You've helped a lot!

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[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-04-20 08:27 pm UTC (link)
You're welcome. Maybe it's worth a test first to see.

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Good Stuff
(Anonymous)
2007-04-20 08:44 pm UTC (link)
I appreciate you taking the time to do this Ryan. I've been thinking about the 1.4 vs. 1.8, I think you've talked me into the 1.4. I'm fairly certain I can find a use for it, as I do a LOT of portrait work. Looks like it will be good for events and weddings too. If you continue this style of persuasive writing, I'm going to have to ask you to never review the Nikon 600mm f/4. I can't afford it. Seriously. :-)
Sgt. Gooch

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Re: Good Stuff
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-04-20 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Hey, as soon as someone buys me one. ;-)

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dre_2k2_f4i
2007-04-20 09:41 pm UTC (link)
Great review and examples. I've thought about upgrading my 1.8 to the 1.4; but thankfully, I do not normally have a problem with low light, and definitely not a stickler for sharpness. Life is always easier as a hobbyist.

Very interesting to see the variety of shots with that prime lens. I really would have guessed a zoom lens for a majority of them.

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[info]nycali
2007-04-20 10:02 pm UTC (link)
holy fuck that's amazing!

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[info]blaneyphoto
2007-04-20 10:24 pm UTC (link)
I've always liked that shot of Katie!

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Thanks for the review :)
[info]jeffreyk
2007-04-21 06:38 am UTC (link)
Your pictures are great!

My "hit" ratio is extremely poor with this lens at F1.4. I was always focusing on the subject eyes but most of the time the nose & ears got it instead.

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Great review!
(Anonymous)
2007-04-21 11:00 am UTC (link)
Great review!
I'm looking forward to future reviews of your other lenses
- particularly the sigma 30mm f/1.4 =)

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Autofocus
[info]jonrouston
2007-04-21 12:39 pm UTC (link)
Hey Ryan, cheers for this great review. I was either going for the 1.8 or 1.4 next, and was leaning towards the 1.4 - you've just convinced me.

One question, any ideas what the autofocus would be like on a D200?

Ta
Jon

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Re: Autofocus
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-04-21 04:34 pm UTC (link)
Yes, I use it on a D200 a lot, and the AF is very accurate and pretty fast -- it's not super-fast if you have to focus from infinity to close, but I almost never find myself having to do that quickly.

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[info]wickenden
2007-04-21 03:04 pm UTC (link)
thanks for the great review. My dad has that fast canon lens and I've been playing with it jealously. I think it's time I saved up and got this one.

don

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[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-04-21 04:36 pm UTC (link)
Thanks. Like I said, it's a great way to justify the expense, haha.

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[info]happydrunkrd
2007-04-21 04:10 pm UTC (link)
this is a great review. you're making me want to purchase this lens! but i do have the 1.8 version and find that my sample is soft wide open. even when i do bring the 85mm on assignments, i find myself using the 70-200mm more often. i guess i'm not comfortable yet to that focal length. but for work, i definitely need something faster as 2.8 doesn't cut it sometimes. the sharpness i see from what you've just posted is amazing to me.

by the way, i've really been enjoying your photos and i thought i'd add you. i hope you don't mind.

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[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-04-21 04:38 pm UTC (link)
The conventional wisdom is that the f/1.4 is better at wider apertures, to f/4 or so, and the f/1.8 is better stopped well-down, since it has a nice, flat field. For me, f/2.5 is about as far as I ever close the 85mm, so the choice was clear.

Add away. I like your stuff, too.

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thanx for the tutorial work great!
(Anonymous)
2007-04-23 11:29 pm UTC (link)
Thanx for the tutorial. I think its awesome. It gave me some clever insights into what to expect with it. Sure could use a testing before i use it, bh photo here i come.

You should def write more of these. I like your recommended to. "Rich people", at least you keep it real. lol, these are expensive. Unfortunately i might get into weddings and i'll need this.

Again Thank you. Take care.

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Most amazing!
(Anonymous)
2007-04-26 08:08 am UTC (link)
Awesome review, Ryan! The 85mm /1.4 has not come off my D200 since getting it a month ago, but I had no idea you could consistently get such tremendous results wide open (you must be a focus champion).

I'd been holding myself back to about /2.4 or /2, for fear of purple fringing and such, but your beautiful shots have inspired me to go all out: /1.4, baby, just as the factory in Japan that made them intended them to be used.

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Re: Most amazing!
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-04-26 01:27 pm UTC (link)
Don't be afraid! Just take a moment to confirm focus -- I like to feel the lens move a bit to make sure.

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Re: Most amazing!
(Anonymous)
2007-05-11 03:39 am UTC (link)
Read your excellent excellent review and ordered the lens.

So two weeks after getting an S5 and a Tamron 28-75mm I got the lens.

Now the only time I use the Tamron is when I want to take a picture of the 85/1.4.



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Re: Most amazing!
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-05-11 04:22 am UTC (link)
Ha, well the wider covreage can come in handy, too. Glad you're enjoying it!

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purple fringing
(Anonymous)
2007-05-11 01:20 pm UTC (link)
hi ryan -- paul goyette here from flickr. thanks for the review. i'd love to know what techniques you use to reduce purple fringing in CS2...

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Re: purple fringing
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-05-11 01:40 pm UTC (link)
I usually just clone over it with the layer set to "color." Nice and easy.

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Re: purple fringing
(Anonymous)
2007-05-14 12:28 am UTC (link)
thanks ryan!

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[info]highlander2001
2007-05-12 09:25 pm UTC (link)
Wonderful review. I currently own the 1.8D, but have decided to get the 1.4D after doing a comparison shoot between the two in a store where they happened to have one on the shelf.

The out of focus blur is a nicer rendering on the 1.4 verses a more blotchy one of the 1.8, was my conclusion. And while I have never really had complaints about my 1.8 until then, the side by side was too hard to ignore.

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85mm f/1.4
(Anonymous)
2007-08-05 01:53 am UTC (link)
Great review. A couple of questions:

1. One would expect an f/1.4 lens to be sharper at f/1.8 than a f/1.8 lens at f/1.8. According to the photozone.de reviews of the Nikon 85mm f/1.4D and f/1.8D, the resolution is similar with possibly a small edge to the f/1.8. They even had two samples of the f/1.4. But I do keep reading about how much sharper the f/1.4 is compared to the f/1.8 at large apertures. What do you think is going on here? Is it more than just resolution that people are seeing?

2. Is the f/1.4 optimized for close-up, or does it still have an advantage over the f/1.8 for more distanced subjects? I guess I'm asking about the use of the lenses for say athletic events, plays, concerts etc. where you are not very close to the subject.

Thanks.

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Re: 85mm f/1.4
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-08-05 03:33 am UTC (link)
I haven't done any of my own resolution tests, but I'd be very surprised if the 85mm f/1.4 wasn't sharper at f/1.8. It's deadly sharp there. In general, I don't place much stock in lens tests -- sample variation is way beyond the level needed for accuracy.

The major advantage is in portrait range. I've shot sports with it, and the f/1.4 aperture is nice, but it's still slower to focus because of all that glass.

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Re: 85mm f/1.4
(Anonymous)
2007-10-12 02:31 pm UTC (link)
Ryan, great review! I just got my copy of 85mm 1.4 yesterday, and the initial impression is great. One thing I want to take about is how the hook can be unscrewed easily - just use the thumb (outside of the hood) and index figure (inside of hood), twist and turn. I tried to squeeze the hood from outside and turn at the beginning, it was difficult - probably due to the slight bend. So while the hook design was not the greatest, with the right method, it can be taken off effortless, and no chance of breaking the lens in halves. Cheers...

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Thank You
(Anonymous)
2007-10-17 12:32 pm UTC (link)
Dear Ryan,

I just popped in to have a look at the 85mm review on your site, and as a first-time visitor I was very impressed. You provide good, clear advice with a commendable absence of overly technical jargon.

I'm very much looking forward to visiting your site again when I have a little more time to explore.

best regards

electrofried (mr)

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Nikon 85 1.4 used with D200 in Portrait setting
(Anonymous)
2007-11-13 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Hi Ryan,
I stumbled on your site while trying to decide whether to buy this lens for my growing senior portrait business. From viewing your many images on flickr, I suddenly realized this lens would allow me to shoot portraits ANYwhere, whereas up to now background has been a major limitation. I have two questions, if you would be so kind as to answer them: do you have any examples of this lens used with the D200 in Portrait setting? Apart from the better bokeh and ability to have a shallower depth of field, are there any other signifcant advantages (significantly better focusing ability in low light?) to this lens over the 18-200 VR, which to my eyes produces sharp and beautiful people images from f4-8?
As a former English teacher, allow me to compliment you on a wonderfully lucid and informative review, free of jargon, involving no brick walls, which is utterly believable and authoritative.
Keep up the good work. Those of us who are constantly looking to improve need you.
I shall be coming back to your website often.
Thanks,
LG

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Re: Nikon 85 1.4 used with D200 in Portrait setting
[info]ryanbrenizer
2007-11-13 07:46 pm UTC (link)
Thanks, LG! Here are a bunch of photos I've taken with the D200 and 85mm, many of them portraits: http://flickr.com/search/?q=85mmf14d+d200&w=35237096496%40N01&s=int

The other main advantage of the 85 over the 18-200 is speed. f/1.4 lets in 16 times as much light as f/4, and 64 times as much as f/8. People tend to move, so that lets you shoot things in a whole new light. If you're shooting in a studio and always using f/8 to f/16, the 18-200 is a better choice.

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Re: Nikon 85 1.4 used with D200 in Portrait setting
(Anonymous)
2007-11-15 12:26 am UTC (link)
Thanks, Ryan, for the reply and the inspirational examples. LG

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Finally purchased this lens myself.
(Anonymous)
2007-12-03 05:47 pm UTC (link)
Thanks Ryan for the fantastic review. I've just purchased this lens myself after much deliberation and have a couple of questions for you or anyone else who may read this. The plastic focus distance cover on my sample is just slightly loose and wiggles in it's setting. I'm debating whether to return for another one since this lense seams pretty sharp. Two things I've noticed though. If you don't get your exposure correct and have dark backgrounds then the noise in the backgrounds can get really nasty when you up the RAW exposure compensation on the D200. Also, although it may be normal I do notice that the sharpness is slightly off at f1.4 but gets good at f1.8, very very good at f2.8 and astonding from 2.8 up. What's your thought. Thanks. I don't want to return a perfectly sharp lens just because the plastic window is not perfectly tight but then I did pay $1100 and feel it should be in better condition.

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Nikkor 85 1.4 ......battle of the giants in my choice
(Anonymous)
2008-04-15 02:47 pm UTC (link)
Hi Ryan,

Great review on the 1.4 85, realistic view.
In europe the 85/1.4 = 1100 euro (1700dollar) and the 1.8 400 euro.
The 70-200 = 1800 euro, yep 2400$...but this animal is 1,5 kg....

I have a 60/2.8 micro, which is a very nice lens to, good to do 1:1 macro and 60x1.5 on my D300, nice 90 mm portraitlens as well.

I work also with a leica M8, with 1.4/75 and since 5 months (no I didn't winn any lottery) a 1.0/50 noctilux, which is on the Leica a 65 (leica crop is 1.3).

So I know what available light can do....
The D300 gives you the possibility to set to 1600 ISO and higher and still give a lot of the right detail. However putting serious glass on a SLR gives also simply more sight and better focus...

That's why I read a lot of reviews on the 1.8 and 1.4 and the 105/2.0 DC (with the defocus). The 105 DC becomes a 160mm, to much for me.

So if it's not about the money....(and honestly...a good buy makes you forget instantly, a bad buy makes you cry all the time)... than buy the 1.4, because....of course photographic quality is one, but doing photography is also a psychological process..... that's why it's most of the time a 'Male' thing.

Anyway thanx again for your help...this saturday 1.4 ...will enter my home...

Regards
Hans
The Netherlands

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